History and Myth

Some preliminaries

Logistics:

Where we are, where we're going



The "Rise of Rationalism"


Myth and History: who was Herodotus, what did he write?

What is the nature of Herodotean narrative? What is he trying to accomplish? What are his methods? Let's look at some examples

What is different about H's history? What is alike?

Discomfiting interest in myth, folktales, and the like; in oracles, dreams, the miraculous, divine causations; morals to draw

Fundamental interest in bringing understanding into the chaos of events by identifying the underlying, meaningful patterns

"Over-determined": Croesus falls because:

Patterns of history part. significant: as Croesus, so the next eastern potentates: so Cyrus, then Darius, finally Xerxes. The unsuccessful attack of the "soft" Persians, with their king tainted by hybris, rejecting advice, misled by the oracles, against the "hard" Greeks becomes then simply the latest and greatest exemplication of the sort of overall causation that informs the historical

History not of particulars, but of universals.

Fundamental to history is the attempt to extract meaning from a series of events. For modern researchers, the meaning will often mean causation, that is, physical or psychological causation. But here too, though often not made explicit, there remains underneath history an attempt to understand the past in terms of the present.

To find history repeating itself, to seek these patterns, and to find MEANING in the fact of a repeated pattern, is very Herodotean. This is what gives history the aura of significant understanding that lends it validity as an intellectual pursuit.



Thucydides, the first "scientific" historian

In what ways is Thucydides' history different from that of Herodotus? In what sense a more "scientific" history?

Th. insists on different "scientific" standards, but the focus of his research is also the only area in which his standards could be met, for direct inquiry and systematic criticism were made possible by the fact that such recent events were involved.

His organization was extremely influential for subsequent history: an organization which differs from Her. in several essential respects

History: Universals from particulars